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		<title>By: Diana</title>
		<link>http://neilmcintyre.ca/mid-tier-firms-offer-better-experience/comment-page-1/#comment-3436</link>
		<dc:creator>Diana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 12:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Neil, I am studying accounts and am currently in the final year. I am looking for a job after completing it. My question is how long should I stay in my first job? A survey on Oxbridge students revealed 4 years is a good span in first job. http://www.topemployers.co.uk/oxbridge-students-graduate-jobs-survey-08-page9.html  What time span would you recommend for the first job?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Neil, I am studying accounts and am currently in the final year. I am looking for a job after completing it. My question is how long should I stay in my first job? A survey on Oxbridge students revealed 4 years is a good span in first job. <a href="http://www.topemployers.co.uk/oxbridge-students-graduate-jobs-survey-08-page9.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.topemployers.co.uk/oxbridge-students-graduate-jobs-survey-08-page9.html</a>  What time span would you recommend for the first job?</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Barry, thanks for giving your perspective.

It&#039;s going to take open-mindedness on the part of those responsible for making hiring decisions, and good self-selling skills on the part of job seekers coming from mid-tier firms to gradually change the perception that training at a Big Four firm is by default the best route for aspiring professionals to take right out of school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Barry, thanks for giving your perspective.</p>
<p>It’s going to take open-mindedness on the part of those responsible for making hiring decisions, and good self-selling skills on the part of job seekers coming from mid-tier firms to gradually change the perception that training at a Big Four firm is by default the best route for aspiring professionals to take right out of school.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello guys, 

I&#039;ve recently left the largest of the big 4 to join a smaller, sector specific consultancy, and I can say with a fair degree of confidence that irrespective of whether you&#039;re at a big, mid, small or boutique style firm, what really determines one&#039;s career progression is the will of you&#039;re superiors. If you are lucky enough to be part of a team which nurtures development, encourages leadership and innovative thinking, and willing to promote the hell out of you to partners/directors, then your career will look after itself. If you are in an area which is looking to consolidate, or does not have a culture of fast-racking careers, then often your best efforts can be in vain. I&#039;ve seen guys work their asses off and earn big buck for the firm only to be overlooked for promotion, whilst other, less dedicated and talented individuals seem to get the better opportunities, and ultimately the better position within the firm. Good luck trying to fast track your career in the corp fin divisions in any of the big 4 unless you&#039;ve got someone above (and I don&#039;t mean God) looking after you and actively endorsing your skills. Having said all that, I cannot argue with the fact the big 4 experience tends to speak volumes to employers, and can be embellished without too much scrutiny. Some argue exposure at big 4 is the distinguishing factor, given the number/volume of clients from various sectors. However, there is no point working on multiple engagements across numerous sectors if all you are doing is glorified admin work. Smaller firms may not have the variety of clients, but you will find yourself adding significantly more value per engagement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello guys, </p>
<p>I’ve recently left the largest of the big 4 to join a smaller, sector specific consultancy, and I can say with a fair degree of confidence that irrespective of whether you’re at a big, mid, small or boutique style firm, what really determines one’s career progression is the will of you’re superiors. If you are lucky enough to be part of a team which nurtures development, encourages leadership and innovative thinking, and willing to promote the hell out of you to partners/directors, then your career will look after itself. If you are in an area which is looking to consolidate, or does not have a culture of fast-racking careers, then often your best efforts can be in vain. I’ve seen guys work their asses off and earn big buck for the firm only to be overlooked for promotion, whilst other, less dedicated and talented individuals seem to get the better opportunities, and ultimately the better position within the firm. Good luck trying to fast track your career in the corp fin divisions in any of the big 4 unless you’ve got someone above (and I don’t mean God) looking after you and actively endorsing your skills. Having said all that, I cannot argue with the fact the big 4 experience tends to speak volumes to employers, and can be embellished without too much scrutiny. Some argue exposure at big 4 is the distinguishing factor, given the number/volume of clients from various sectors. However, there is no point working on multiple engagements across numerous sectors if all you are doing is glorified admin work. Smaller firms may not have the variety of clients, but you will find yourself adding significantly more value per engagement.</p>
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		<title>By: Edmund</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edmund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with most of the article, but all things being equal, students will still choose to go with a larger firm because:

1. all training/exam/membership fees are covered

2. big firm experience will make them more marketable, regardless of their actual skill aqcuired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with most of the article, but all things being equal, students will still choose to go with a larger firm because:</p>
<p>1. all training/exam/membership fees are covered</p>
<p>2. big firm experience will make them more marketable, regardless of their actual skill aqcuired.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://neilmcintyre.ca/mid-tier-firms-offer-better-experience/comment-page-1/#comment-516</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I said, it&#039;s not really an objective comparison.  It&#039;ll really depend on the individual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said, it’s not really an objective comparison.  It’ll really depend on the individual.</p>
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		<title>By: Krupo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Krupo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 03:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some good points - I&#039;d say variety of &#039;types&#039; of engagements (more &#039;small&#039; jobs and tax hours, for example) are even more significant, but I would disagree about the amount of face time you get with clients - perhaps you&#039;ll get more interaction with higher level client staff earlier on, but that was be the extent of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some good points — I’d say variety of ‘types’ of engagements (more ‘small’ jobs and tax hours, for example) are even more significant, but I would disagree about the amount of face time you get with clients — perhaps you’ll get more interaction with higher level client staff earlier on, but that was be the extent of it.</p>
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